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>> there is a look at the state of ohio. we are still waiting on a call on that state sch could still set the tone for the race overall in addition to florida and virginia and north carolina. the polls are now closed in iowa,is now too early to call. and the state of montana, where mitt romney is projected to win there. >> we have nevada, the polls are closed but it is too early to call. and in utah, nbc news is projecting a win for governor romney. >> in the meantime welcome back to your money your vote. obama takes the first battleground state of wisconsin and new hampshire, giving him an electoral edge.
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north carolina, ohio, virginia, florida, colorado all remain too close to call amid very high voter turnout. the house republicans are projected to retain control as well. i want to go live to las vegas. >> the six electoral votes are in play. they will not start reports results until the last person in line in each county at 7:00 p.m. gets a chance to vote. it may be about a half hour before we start getting results. both parties are partying on the strip tonight. the republicans are lit up with red white and blue. over 20 million dollars. he may be in boston tonight with
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the romneys. democrats are meeting at mandolay bay. they are showing election results on the screens on the strip. a handful of people are stopping to watch what is going on. four years ago it voted for barack obama. of course one year later he told people he had that famous quip you can't take a trip to las vegas on the taxpayers' dime. both sides have spent millions and millions of dollars in this small state. las vegas alone has had more tv political ads than any city in the country. it is more than 73,000 ads. those will end tonight. >> and of course we are watching and waiting for the actual results in nevada. too early to call, but obama is leading at this point. >> well, we have to see.
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we are getting no official results yet from the secretary of state. the vast majority of votes here were cast early. more than half for the first time were cast early. within the half hour we should start to get the official results. >> jane, thanks to much. jim cramer joins us on set. some of the states are interesting. nevada one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. if obama takes it, that would be sayinging the. >> that's a big democrat machine. with every one of these, even just in the naf news, s&p futures ticked down again. they were down 8 and then it looked too close. they moved back to six. then when we found out about pennsylvania, and now they are really plummeting. the blow by blow is not something you want to play at home this has been so right and wrong and right and wrong.
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but just this last statement ticked it down again. >> that tells you that it is looking like we will see an opening for the stock market lower if we believe the numbers right now if in fact the market believes that the president is winning this. i think what the market is saying okay, look. every swing state, every battleground, we have not got to say that every single one that we don't know yet has got to go romney's way or it will be done. the one problem with this is you see them fly back up. it's not like these people know more but there are people very concerned that tomorrow will be a big down day. >> it flies in the face, jim, of the thesis that if romney sticks around, bernanke finishes out his term. >> it's so funny. on the one end you look at where
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the markets come from. and then you look at the s&p 500 and it's down. when you look at the people who gave money to romney, they are in the market and you see how much they put in and you start thinking wait a second. i guess they really believe the market is going to get hit. the goldmans and bank of america and morgan stanleys. >> what happens once we know who will take the white house to all of that money sitting on the sidelines? some people expecting 3.6 trillion dollars of cash that the companies were sitting on. does it begin to loosen up? >> you have been asking about fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. tla always seem to have an excuse. in the meantime, it has been pretty darn good. >> the market --
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>> the reserve has been a huge put the whole time. >> thank you, jim. >> let's bring in the former governor of virginia. good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. your thoughts on what has happened in virginia and throughout the country so far. we are neck and neck in terms of electoral votes. 162 for the president and governor romney. >> i never thought it would be anything other than just as you described it. very close and very tight. i expect the president to win. i hope he does. i think that will change. as a matter of fact, i bet a penny before i came home to say that he would change. around the country, i would be surprised if romney carried all
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of those swing states that have been described just now. i see obama winning the election. i hope that virginia is in the winning column with him. i think a lot of people feel like i did when i feeted for him. he needs a second term to prove what he has started and that he can improv upon it. but he can't do it unless he's there. things are so bad in this country. to trust it to someone who does not have the experience to spend four years learning the job or even two years is too much time. >> governor, you want to quickly break in and say that senator claire mccaskill will hang on to her seat. akin set off the fire storm with the phrase "legitimate rape." >> amazing.
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>> both candidates undone by comments that obviously did not sit well with some women voters. >> stay right there. >> it doesn't make sense to people, period. >> we want to get amy in here. stay right there. amy wants to give us some color on the latest results. >> when you look at this claire mccaskill todd akin race, you have got to look at the national republicans. they wanted to see if they could support anybody else but akin in this race. akin stayed in despite the pressure and obviously that has hurt the republican party. claire mccaskill now the projected winner. and where we are now is the democrats have three pick ups. independents are two and republicans 42. that's where we're at as of this hour right now. a lot more still to come. >> thank you.
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back with former governor. you just said that the president needs another four years to actually prove what he has been doing. let me ask you about bringing the two sides together. once we know who the leader of the free world will be, then the work begins in terms of fiscal cliff, in terms of getting back to sustained growth in this economy. if we haven't seen the president able to bring the two sides together and compromise on some soft the important issues what is it that we should look at to believe that he will be able to do it in the next four years? >> the reality of the times will dictate the action that is necessary. the president and the leaders of the congress know that the american people are not going to tolerate any further bickering. we're going to get off of these cliffs. make certain that you address deficits. also address the debts that we are accumulating that we're going to have an appropriate
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defense without cutting it unnecessarily and you will make certain that there are revenues raised because you can't do any of the things that we're talking about in the absence of money. the one word definition i have always had is money. the president, he will be elected. that president is elected recognizing that i tried some things and they haven't worked. this is what i'm going to do. i'm willing to sit down and talk. we're not going to surrender the world for your view nor would i expect you to do is same thing. come, let us reason together. >> governor, good to have you on the program. we'll see you soon. >> and we still have jim cramer at the desk. you have been talking about defense stocks. what degree was defense spending a factor? >> people are always hopeful that a defense secretary will be
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appointed who can say listen what we're going to do is put more money behind big hardware. there is a big china theme under tonight. i saw some oil country tube, the tube that goes into pipe. steel intelligence puts out a really great report saying the chinese are flooding us with steel. you have to maybe have a military recognition of the threat of china. the economic threat of china. that was supposed to be romney's best, right? it doesn't seem to play in virginia so far. but we don't know. >> virginia has also got some coal interest. >> that is one tough state to campaign in. who knows what they really want? you want defense? big government? coal?
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>> i think people are saying that romney wins virginia but maybe he doesn't get florida. that he -- there is some surprise states and battleground states. it just doesn't feel like -- someone must think that ohio is solid obama. because you wouldn't be selling these futures down so hard unless you felt that was the way to bet. >> you are expecting a down market tomorrow if this stays the way it is? >> you know, i think i got to go back to where carl said. i think the idea that this election is over and there are not hanging chads, we don't know. i do think that a level of certainty of having this thing past us is a reason to buy not a reason to sell. >> and let you focus on other things. >> earnings? >> corporate earnings from the catalogs. >> i always feel bad for the ceos who announced a terrible
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storm and loss of life, you can't think about earnings. you have this and you can't think about earnings. we will in about 48 hours be thinking about earnings. >> we will take a short break and we will go through them. it's extraordinary are still too early to call or too close to call. >> there is a look at nevada. iowa is another key one. coverage continues in just a minute. don't go away.
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vote count and it looks very even but look under the top line numbers of what we have seen so far and see how it's likely to project the rest of the night. when we saw wisconsin and new hampshire both go for president obama as well as michigan and pennsylvania, now we're in a situation where if president obama carries florida, which is very close, he has got a slight lead in the raw vote, it's over. he's president. assume that mitt romney wins that. if president obama can win two other states it's over. mitt romney has really got to run the table of all the big states. >> thank you.
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>> we have been watching the -- what are you looking out. >> without any spin, i don't think anything that we have seen tonight thus far we couldn't have predicted. the path is to come right up the east coast. he has got to take watch. they have tried to be aggressive in places like pennsylvania. but they think they have the ground support in those states. i think it will be very, very close. i do think that governor romney will become the 45th president. >> that has been the focus for the romney campaign. going to some of these battleground states.
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>> anthony let me ask you a question. stock market. talk to me about the stock market. obama has done very well with stocks. but i'm just saying as you well know, stocks have done well under obama. so if obama wins and republicans are keeping the house and the democrats are keeping the senate, how does that impact the stock market? nothing really changes tomorrow. >> okay. so it will really depend, larry. we both know it will depend on the type of style of presidency that barack obama would have in a second term. we both know that if the governor pulls this off and wins, you cannot get the growth with the president's policy.
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so if he changes course like president clinton did in a second term, then we can see a better environment. we both know the stock market recovered because of the monetary policy that was not related to anything that the president or his administration did. that's my view. >> it is because of policies or in spite of policies? >> a lot of the states have lower unemployment rates than the national unemployment rate. that includes ohio. >> gentlemen and maria, history is on the side of free markets. history is on the side of a pro business government. america deserves that. and i think we're going to get that tonight. now if we don't get that, you guys can dunk me over the fiscal cliff tomorrow. but right now i think there is a
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path, okay, that the governor can get to. and larry, i hope i'm on your show next week and we're talking about the jack kemp style type of growth that we can have and the style of growth that this country deserves. that's my prediction. >> speaking as a fellow supply cider, i couldn't agree with you more. all of these wall street people who have been predicting obama's victory. does that necessarily mean the stock market -- >> larry, anthony, can you really say that the stock market has gone up because of the president? where else are you going go? >> i agree.
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>> companies get buy backs of their own shares. >> i'm just saying -- >> how do you talk about the stock market without talking about the fed? >> earnings and the fed and obama. >> march of 2009. i'm trying to be even handed. larry, you have never been even handed. >> thank you. >> you know that's my philosophy. >> wait a minute. we're not talking about tacks going lower under president obama. >> that's correct. that's correct. in fact, what i really want to know and where i started this dialogue is if nothing changes, if nothing -- and i know the election is not over. you may be right. your man romney may win. i'm just saying you could wake up tomorrow morning and you will have president obama re-elected,
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democratic senate re-elected and the house republicans re-elected. as an astute investor, which you are, what changes here. what changes if that is the scenario? >> again, i'm not in the mind of president obama, but if he pivots, larry and he starts to be more of a pro growth, more of a pro business oriented person, we will do a lot better. if he continues the have and the have not split and the anti-business rhetoric, we are going to stagnate and we will jap japanify for a decade. none of us want that. i am just hoping that the next president will be better than the last. >> no, no. good stuff. >> one last question. you talk about the strategy and coming up the eastern sea board and we will see what happens in the next couple of hours. at this hour, are you feeling in boston like you wish you had a little more wiggle room?
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>> there is no question. we are all numbers guys on the table. this is going to be a narrow victory if we get to victory. what i do like, talking to the people inside the campaign is that the precincts that we need to win, we're bringing out the vote ahead of the polling models. the areas of ohio that the governor needs to win the state are delivering for the governor. it's a very good case that he could win both those states. if we pick up colorado, north carolina, you have the 45th president of the united states and i think that will be better for the stock market and better for the economy. that's my view. i have had that view for the last three years and i will stay with that for the next three hours. >> all right. stick with it. we'll talk to you soon. >> good to see you guys. >> you, too. >> let's get over to more breaking news on the house and
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senate races. >> we have a key call in the senate of nebraska. doug fisher, the republican is now the projected winner. kerrey is a former presidential candidate. his national fame not enough to carry him against deb fischer. we're seeing that tammy duckworth is the projected winner. an iraq veteran and double amputee. she was featured prominently in the democratic national convention. and something interesting to throw in here. paul ryan, who was running for the house again, he is projected to win that house seat for paul ryan. he has won one of his two races. >> he did vote twice today in jamesville, wisconsin. >> we are watching still too
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close to call situations and too early to call. there's colorado, too close to call. 18 electoral votes, very important for both candidates to win ohio and florida. stay with your money, your vote on cnbc. back in a moment.
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we are still anxiously awaiting results from other swing states. iowa and nevada are too early to call. in florida at least an hour wait in line at already closed polls still lies ahead for some voters. democrats picking up three additional seats. republicans are projected to retain control. >> let's get to john harwood with a look at where we stand in the map room. >> we're still awaiting the seven swing states. florida and the state of virginia are both extremely close races. if president obama wins the state of florida, the race is over. but mitt romney is very, very much in that game. he needs to win florida, north carolina, and virginia and also win the state of ohio to get from where he is now, he's on track now to win 191 electoral votes.
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president obama is in line for 251. we're going to have to wait until more votes are counted before we know who gets there. >> >> your thoughts of where we stand and what this means for the economy. >> what you have is, of course, what we do know is that the republicans will hold on to the house of representatives. that the ve increase in the number of republicans committed to not raising taxes that swept into office in 2010, the obama people said oh, 57 of those republicans are in districts that obama carried and they will all be swept out with the tide in 2012. instead what happened was the country reiterated its commitment to a republican house, a house of representatives which as speaker boehner said, is committed to
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opposing all of obama's tax increase policies. so we have a much stronger republican house against tax increases. senate and the white house -- the white house could still go either way. if you had an obama and democratic senate, we are exactly where we were two years ago when obama agreed to continue all the bush tax cuts for two years. >> that sounds -- the way you just described it sounds like gridlock on steroids. >> depends on what you call gridlock. >> i consider that good policy, not gridlock. then in 2011, the president said he was willing to close the government down you have to
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agree to help us cut spending. that was not gridlock. that was progress. it was losing for the president and the democrats. they are worried about it. >> we want to bring in colleague s i guess this issue keeps coming up about taxes. the line in the sand. between each side. and of course, you have this taxpayer protection pledge which has asked candidates to commit themselves to write iing. >> of course.
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because the problem we have in the united states is that the federal government spends too much money. raising taxes does not help solve the problem. the problem is spending too much. the only solution to spend too much is to spend less. >> two things. first of all, he might not be aware but we have already cut 1.5 trillion in spending and the broad consensus is that there will have to be new revenues in the deal and actual cuts it's beginning to be a bipartisan consensus. what i have been hearing, with respect, he is a. >> influential person. i really think that after tonight -- >> quickly. >> i think that is -- >> arizona is now being called for mitt romney.
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a state that barack obama lost in 2008. was hoping to flip it this time with no mccain running but it is projected that mitt romney will take the state of arizona. >> just dumping in the conversation, texas has already gone up in the affordable care act. >> 20 tax increases. >> and so the taxes have gone up. the spending was cut. but the deficit is going up. so, i mean, the math doesn't really work here. you are absolutely correct. that's why the affordable care act reduces the deficit. >> welcome to the bookham, inc. fourth quarter 2007 earnings conference call. well. >> that's on bush. >> the question that would broaden the focus out a little bit. that would be is there, do you see a path to a compromise on fiscal matters that does not involve one party or the other
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compromising on principles and if so, where would that be? the compromise that doesn't require somebody to compromise on principle. >> we just had two agreements in 2010. we extended the bush tax cuts. we didn't raise taxes. in 2011, we reduced spending. taking fax increases off the table is why we got the spending cuts. some of you may be old enough to remember 1990 and 1982. okay? but i'll tell you what happened. then the democrats said to the republicans, let's compromise. let's raise taxes one dollar and we'll cut spending three dollars or two dollars. in each case tax increases happened. they were permanent, painful and damaging. the spending cuts never happened. >> simply not true. >> in fact, spending went up more than was projected in both
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cases. >> that is factually incorrect. >> it's history. >> the spending cuts stuck and the spending cuts have already been on the books to the point of 1.5 trillion. unless we put new revenues in the deal we will be stuck tomorrow just where we were last week and nobody wants that. >> wait a minute. you can't lie about what i just said in 1982, the spending cuts didn't happen in 90, the cuts didn't happen. the two times we have tried to do this grand bargain tax increases, spending cuts, the tax increases happen. >> we need to sit down and look at numbers together. i think you're wrong about that. i'm sure you're wrong about that. >> when does the work begin for the new president, president obama or governor romney? tell us how you get the needle to move on deficit reduction? >> well, two things.
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we need to remember that the way to get deficit reduction is to reduce spending or to have more economic growth. economic growth of 4% instead of the 2% that obama has us living with and that france lives with, grow at 4% instead of 2% and you have 5 trillion dollars in additional revenue. not by raising taxes that would slow economic growth. and you need to cut spending, not raise spending. >> well, if we were able -- >> where is plan b, man? >> spend less. >> we're already spending less. we have cut 1.5 trillion in spending and yet to add any new revenue. you got to wake up on this. >> those are projections over the next decade. and obama's budget increases the
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debt 6.7 trillion over the next decade with the tax increases on the rich that he counts. it's a huge increase. >> how do you get growth, then? we're talking about moving the needing on growth from 2% anemic movements that we have been seeing. >> it's a great question. >> where does the growth come from? >> i don't think it comes from anything we're talking about now. particularly housing. certainly the federal reserve has its pedal to the metal. as confidence comes back and the deleveraging are behind us we're going to see higher growth. i think the tax changes at the margins are going to be helpful to the growth because if we do bha the president is proposing, we will get on a sustainable budget path and that will help markets as well. >> i'm sorry, the president's budget and his proposal. >> i didn't hear you. >> we haven't had a budget.
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>> the president's 2013 budget which stabilizes the deficit, that's a scored by cbo. 5. >> carl this is what we're talking about every day. want to reiterate that arizona has gone to. >> back in a minute. ♪
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>> i want to draw your atoengs the state of minnesota. nbc news projecting that barack obama will win the state of minnesota. it was later too early to call with obama leading but that state now falling to barack obama. 172 to 174 for mitt romney. we still have some of the big states coming in at the top of the hour. >> ohio one of the most important swing states. scott? >> maria we promised you earlier on. indeed it has. then there is the vote today. that's where the vote tightened up. think of the number 200,000. that's the number of provisional ballots that were cast in 2008. experts expect it will be about that.
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if we're looking at a race now where the two candidates are separated by fewer than 100,000 votes and if we think that the race could be swung if they start counting the ballots, that's where they come into play. they can't start counting the ballots until ten days out. experts have told us those could become the hanging chads if ohio stays as close as it is. >> people are hoping that it does not happen. thank you so much. virginia, another key state tonight. diana is live in arlington with things there. a turnout that sounds like it was off the charts. >> turnout was incredible here. higher than it was in 2008. the first democrat to win this state in over 40 years. and its troubles here in the north with voting that are
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holding up a lot of the results. especially in prince william county. the state board of election telling us that voters could still be voting. if you were in line by 7:00 you are still allowed to vote. norfolk went for obama. the city of richmond went for barack obama. we spoke to voters earlier and they talk about the economy and jobs and they are worried about the defense industry as well so that could put norfolk in play. this race is still neck and neck. >> thanks very much. it sure is neck and neck. florida one of the most popular swing states in the country. 29 electoral votes. >> hey there, it is a big one. people in orlando, florida, were
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toasting the end of what has been a long race to the white house. if romney wins them it makes it easier to get to the magic number. the race is neck and neck here. remember, margin of victory by a half a percent or less triggers an automatic recount. voter turnout looking very strong as well. over 63% of registered voting. that is above the levels in 2008. now keep in mind both candidates spent a lot of time and money. and the one that they put the most money into. until last month the president held the lead in the polls. that switched about a month ago. the people that we spoke with continued to say that their main concern is the economy. florida's economicmy has been lagging since the housing
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bubble. both people from both sides saying they believe their candidate is the best to get the economy moving again. carl and maria, back to you. >> thank you so much. and of course pennsylvania also an important battleground state tonight. >> it was supposed to be one of the battleground states. getting called earlier this evening. pennsylvania turning blue for the sixth presidential election. that's despite a big push by the gop to start capturing some of the conservative vote. super pacs spent over 3 million dollars to rally the vote. mow when we spoke with voters here in southberg, pennsylvania, they said the economy is the
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biggest issue still. but that the mood was starting to change. maybe some of the dollars were starting to turn the tide towards purple here in pennsylvania. not enough to turn the tide completely. we saw the push right up until the very end. but still, the democrats had 21 visits to pennsylvania overall to the gop's 156. as we know, obama has been the projected winner here in pennsylvania. >> thank you so much. by the way we're just getting news in the state of missouri that mitt romney will take the state of missouri, which interesting, with senator claire mccaskill defending her seat where romney takes the state. >> it was too early to call earlier. ten electoral votes going to romney. >> minnesota being called for obama as well.
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>> welcome back to your money your vote. we want to get to the latest breaking news. >> hi, remember, where we were at the beginning of the night tonightment they needed to pick up a net gain of four. the democrats have a plus two gain on the night so far. that's 45 democrats, two independents. the tale will be a tale of democratic pick ups. a couple of pick ups here from the democrats. >> we should note your main beat is covering the hill for us in washington. there is going to be angry phone
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calls come monday with murdoch scott brown and others. >> absolute ly. >> what else could they have done to get todd akin out of the race. he didn't want to get out of the race and now he's out of it on election day. >> that's the one thing we have to go on. we're still waiting on some of the big states. polls set to close in five more states. >> and here is a look at how the popular vote and electoral vote. the electoral vote is 184 versus 172 obama. ♪
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